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People Pleasing, Negative Feedback, and Personal Growth with Alecia St. Germain

Erica Nash 0:00

On today's episode of next level course creator, I had the opportunity to chat with Alecia St. Germain, founder of the conscious edge, and truly amazing mindset coach, we dive deep into the topic of people pleasing and how that shows up in next level courses, especially when dealing with negative feedback. Alecia gives some great advice on how to rein in people pleasing tendencies, and look at feedback in a way that's helpful and empowering rather than something that throws everything off track. If you're in the business of serving other people at a high level, this is an episode you don't want to miss.

Welcome to next level course creator. My name is Erica. And this is a podcast about creating premium online programs that participants never want to leave. If you want a program that serves the whole person satisfies participant needs, and creates brand ambassadors who tell all their friends about how awesome you are. This is for you. Listen, and as we go beyond conversion numbers, sold out launches and five figure months to get to the heart of the matter. Taking care of the people who have already said yes, let's go.

I am so excited today to be joined by one of my favorite people in the online space Alecia St. Germain. Alecia is a next level mindset coach, among other things, and she's unlocked some real doozies in my own sort of thought process. And it was a no brainer to talk to her about coming on the next level course creator podcast to talk about course creation. So, Alecia, thank you so much for saying yes and for coming on the show. For people that don't know who you are, please tell us a little bit about you your programs in the work that you do.

Alecia St. Germain 1:56

Well in Erica, first of all, it was a no brainer, yes, because I love you. And I love what you do. And it's been such a pleasure to have those experiences of breakthrough with you. So I am the founder of the conscious edge that is my personal development and company that supports female entrepreneurs. And what I do is I help female entrepreneurs to efficiently leverage their time and expertise and create the Mind Body Soul alignment so that they can grow multiple six and seven figure businesses without burnout. And what we do at the conscious edge is really use a combination of marketing strategy, some psychology based coaching, and then ancient wisdom, which is really super cool. That brings in your soul's purpose that is uniquely encoded on your name that you were given at birth. So we take some of that ancient wisdom and really get everything into alignment and working on just a higher level.

Erica Nash 3:01

That's amazing. And I just love so much how you, you're always so genuine in everything that you do. And just like everything you bring to the table, and you're always you're such a great listener. And that just goes so far in in the work that I know that you do with your clients and making them feel like it's a safe space to talk about some of these things that can get kind of challenging.

Alecia St. Germain 3:27

And that's such a cool feedback because, and I keep hearing and it wasn't anything that I went out and set into my programs and intended on. But the one word that I hear over and over and over again is this is such a safe space. This is such a safe space, every time I get a testimonial, this is such a safe space. And so it makes my heart just just feel so good that people feel that safety in this space and digging into the work that I do a little bit more. A lot of where we get held up is really in that we don't feel safe. So that feedback just like lands so good for me. Thank you

Erica Nash 4:05

I love it. You're welcome. It's I mean every word. So I work with course creators like you who have established programs, they hire me to come in and audit their program. And then together we transform it into a more streamlined, engaging asset for their course participants. And part of that process involves interviewing those participants. And a lot of times what we will find is that there's a small population of those people who are unhappy with just about everything, they have a lot to say about a lot of things. And it doesn't take the auditing process to know that this happens. But I love data to back all of this stuff up because for the course creator when they get this negative feedback, it feels like a huge population is unhappy with their work or with the process or with the course creator themselves. And so after that they can see that oh It feels really big, but it's not actually really big. It's, you know, this smaller sect of people that are unhappy. And then it helps to sort of save them from making what they would have made maybe big changes in their program that weren't really necessary. And it kind of saves them from doing that. And so the belief that people are unsatisfied can be a real obstacle for maintaining a program. And especially over the long term, when stakes might be kind of high, especially in you know, the business side where we're involving a lot of money or things like that, you know, it gets just real tangled. So that leads me to my big question for today. And we've talked a little bit about this, because I am a people pleaser, and it is just a thing in my life that in the past has really caused a lot of issues. And I'm seeing that in so many of the people that I work with, and I have a lot of thoughts about, you know, just the course creator type, I think tends to be very much in that, you know, ballpark of like people pleasing tendencies. So there's always going to be that tiny population of participants who are impossible to please. So how can course creators rein in the people pleasing tendencies, when facing feedback from that population, while still honoring the responsibility they have to their students and taking care of them?

Alecia St. Germain 6:28

Oh, my gosh, this is such a big question to unpack, but I'm ready to take it on. Okay. So the first thing that I would say is number one, starting with the self, there's a I really want for anybody who identifies like, Yeah, I do that I'm a people pleaser, or even if you don't identify with it, but you maybe do some of the people pleasing tendencies, like when you read it, you're like, Oh, I guess I do do that. I want to first say there's nothing wrong. With being accommodating having awesome customer service. A lot of people pleasers are big empaths. So they anticipate the needs of others, even before that person maybe knows they need it. So there's a real power that comes with being that tuned in to people's emotions, because people pleasing really comes from childhood where maybe you had a parent or a caregiver or somebody who was had big emotions. And so you kind of learned how to tiptoe around that person, and anticipate their feelings and what was going to happen and tried to control that, in order to stay safe when we talk a lot about safety. But in order to stay safe. So when we carry that very easily into adulthood, that's what we learned works in adulthood hood is to anticipate the needs of others. So everything that can be your, your kryptonite, or whatever you want to say is also can be your superpower. So know that people pleasers have grit. And they take a lot of crap from people and they are resilient. And there's a lot of wonderful qualities that you have learned, that go along with your people pleasing. So no shame around that. So that's number one is is really appreciating yourself first and giving yourself grace. Number two, all feedback is valuable. All feedback is valuable. So whether it's really nice feedback that makes us feel good or feedback that does not make us feel good. It's an opportunity to really reflect on what you can do better, what's not working, or what is working, what's not working. And also, we don't always have to take the feedback that we're given and implement it, we can receive it. But know that you have good reason for doing things the way that you're doing. And once you evaluate that feedback, you get to decide if that is for the good of the group. And maybe you did have a misstep, or maybe you could have done something better. Or if that person is actually in their own stuff in their own triggers in their own ear, that person who's never satisfied may have felt very out of control and life and so they feel the need to control everything. They may be a perfectionist and so as hard as they're judging you think about what it feels like to be in their skin. So those would be a couple things that I'd say like just slipped slow down and let's look let's really look at that piece as you're wrapping yourself in it. The immediate reaction of a people pleaser is oh, let me fix something. And you actually decrease the effectiveness of your program and people's ability to consume content. If you actually over anticipate their needs, people need to ask questions, people need to challenge you, people need to do those things as part of their own learning process. And so when you step into your leadership, and you actually hold space and take those, that emotion and those reactions and help them transform that into a huge breakthrough, your clients are going to love you, even if they hated you.

Erica Nash 10:36

Oh, my gosh, that's so good. And so true. You know, people need to ask questions, and I love that you said that, because I think there really is, um, because let's face it, like as a coach, you're, you're very much a teacher, right? You are a teacher. And regardless of whether you're teaching little kids, high school kids, or adults, there are going to be people that ask questions and need need feedback. And depending on that, you know, there's always I think, in the people pleasing, there's always a tendency to want to offer feedback that gives them all of the answers, like all of the this is, here's this box, this is how you do this. And there's this sort of one way to do it. And here's all the right answers. And it's very challenging to like, hold yourself back from giving all of the answers, because you want to make them happy. But you know, that really is holding them back in that, you know, they have to be able to figure out what's right for them and for themselves in their specific situation. And so I love so much that that is part of sort of this process of going through and figuring out, you know, like, is this feedback that I really need to consider? Because it's not all right.

Alecia St. Germain 12:01

Yeah. And also, I mean, my gosh, I, you know, you, you will have people who are having temper tantrums in your programs. And it's nothing to do with you, it's, something's not working for them, they're feeling the pressure. And many times that temper tantrum comes right before the biggest breakthrough. So, e learning to hold space for someone to have that temper tantrum too, and just letting them they will, if there have any kind of awareness, they will, at some point, realize, as you're sitting quietly, or as you're responding, that they are having a temper tantrum, and they'll oftentimes apologize. So it's just really not making it mean something about you, because it has nothing to do with you.

Erica Nash 12:52

One of the things that you said when you were talking about that first sort of step to take in recognizing and appreciating yourself, you know, that, for me, when we had this conversation months ago, I think that was probably my biggest breakthrough is that my whole life, people associated people pleasing in a really negative context and associated it with just like this sort of pushover type, and I can definitely see how, like I personally did sometimes fall into that category, you know, in an effort to make people happy. There definitely was were times where it was very, oh, no boundaries, no, whatever. But you were the first person to, I don't know, propose a reframe where, you know, like, this doesn't have to be all bad. This is this can be a strength and like, here's how you can look at it in a different way. So that you're using it to work positively in like for yourself rather than against yourself.

Alecia St. Germain 13:59

Right. And the big thing between the weak sense of people pleasing is people pleasing is a very unique manipulation when it's used in kind of the negative sense, in that you when you people, please, for it's an it's for your own game. And that is, I want people to like me, I want to feel included, I want to feel safe, I want to feel and so you're people pleasing with the intention of controlling someone else's thoughts, feelings and behaviors. And when it's with that intention to protect yourself, that's when it can really hinder you or get in your way and get in the way of your clients breakthroughs of your clients education, your clients. And so as a course creator, right, this is about your clients. You make money as a byproduct of being generous and serving your clients and without them you wouldn't have a business. So when you're come from it is i? What can I do to make my clients more successful? What can I do to land my communication? Better? What can I do to have them hear me so that they get the results they hired me for? That's a different story. Right? That's a different reason.

Erica Nash 15:21

So whenever you are working with your own clients in your programs, and you kind of on the same idea of, you know, using that as a manipulation, how often are they unaware that they might be doing that?

Alecia St. Germain 15:39

So I, I think that it's, it's a lot when before people start working with me and doing some of the deep inner work that we do as part of my program, I think they don't realize that they actually care what people think. And that is the hardest realization for people to come to because it feels like high school, it feels so immature, to care what other people think. And you can outwardly say, I don't care what other people think. But when we dig down, and we really get underneath at all, you've been on one of the mapping workshops, and you just see that sits right there, because I'll be rejected or because people won't like me. And you're like, I don't want that to be true. But it must be true, because that's how you're behaving. Your behavior is the towel, your behaviors, the towel. So when we see it all laid out in front of you, it's like, oh, now I'm aware of it, then I think they have a lot of awareness around it. But before that point before you do the inner work. I think that people tell themselves often I don't care what other people think.

Erica Nash 16:48

Yeah, and like you said, I mean, that's an uncomfortable realization to have. I know, after the mapping workshop that I did with you, it was like, Oh, well, I have a lot of work to do. A lot.

Alecia St. Germain 16:59

Well, if it's the other piece of it is often times I it can show up as frustration or anger when when you're unaware. I always think of anger and frustration as kind of like specially anger, the warrior of of your insecurities. It's the warrior. So it's there to protect. And so when you feel angry towards feedback that you got, or you're frustrated, or you're done working with a client, you know, there's a piece there that's really about maybe that unawareness, like, Oh, this is because I care what they think or this because this is upset me. So that that's one of the towels that sometimes people don't really realize what's underneath it. And it can feel a lot like, Oh, this is a client problem. This is something wrong with them. But ultimately, you're the leader in your organization. So this is where where do you get to go to support that client? Or hand them off to someone else? Who can? If you you're too triggered.

Erica Nash 18:04

Yeah. And that can be challenging in and of itself, right? Recognizing that, like, I can't, I can't do this, I can't help you here because I'm in my own. And you had said something else earlier too about is that person in their own triggers. And you know, how just really like that just speaks to the complexity of this sort of online course creation ecosystem as a whole, just that there are so many everyone is at a different stage in their life at a different stage in their business with all of the nuances of their individual, you know, circumstances. And so just being able to take that knowing as a course creator, like, this is going to be complex, and there are going to be people that are going to struggle, and it might not have anything to do with me, but it's gonna feel like it does. It's, that's a big responsibility to take on.

Alecia St. Germain 19:01

Yeah, and some of that's leading your clients through that too. And, you know, you are responsible. And so are they, so everybody has their own part to play. And, you know, we're talking, we're talking about such the deeper nuances to really creating a course that has heart. You know, I see all the time online, people create things like, Oh, this is easy, I'll just create this thing. I'll put it out there. And it's like, it doesn't, it might sell to some extent, but it's gonna have that mix of bad reviews and good reviews because it doesn't have heart that we're really talking about putting a heartbeat into a course

Erica Nash 19:40

100% And I love that, the way that you framed it. Because I think right like course creation has changed over the years just like anything else. It's it's evolved. And I think we're getting to this place now where consumers are. They're just a lot more savvy and they just need a little something you're different, and they need more they need hearts they need, they need the connection and they need, you know, something more than just sort of this thing that goes out with a promise that you can make however much money in however many days. And they really need the support behind whatever it is, because you're unlocking so much more than just the processes, you know, there's going to be so much more that comes out of going through whatever it takes to make so many dollars in so many days, or whatever the the promise might be.

Alecia St. Germain 20:34

Yeah, yeah, exactly. You know, it reminds me of, there's a company I used to work for, that taught people how to invest in real estate. And one of the things that led to me starting my company, and breaking away and going out on my own, in this in this particular arena, was that I went to them with some of the coaching knowledge that I had. And I said, Look, I just see so many people spending 10s of 1000s of dollars on education, and a majority of them cannot get out of their own way to actually get the results. And they were not interested in handling the mindset piece, it just was not of their interest. And at first I was like really irritated because I was like this is the responsibility. This is their responsibility. You can't sell things without, you know, telling people like what the mindset is that they're going to need to to achieve those results. And it felt like taking people's money, what I've come to learn now is they didn't necessarily have the responsibility to provide that piece, because we can't be all things to everyone. But I do think they had a responsibility to say, listen, here's a resource, or here's what might be getting in the way. And I think maybe investing in this type of work is going to support everything you've learned over here. So if you're someone who teaches strategy, like I'm not sitting here saying like you are, you're responsible, if your clients are struggling, and they're hitting that wall and their mindsets getting in the way, it's okay if you don't know how to support them, but partner with someone like me, or someone else who knows how to do the mindset work or create those shifts for your clients. So they get better results inside of your program, they will love you for that you don't have to be the end all be all to everyone that goes back to the people pleasing, right? Like you don't have to be everything. Just collaborate with the right people, and your program will just be phenomenal.

Erica Nash 22:37

Yeah, no, and I love that so much. Because I think sometimes, you know, there's a lot of agitation that occurs when you're, when you're learning things, it's just kind of the nature of it, right. And then sometimes I think things get unlocked, and then people don't always necessarily know what to even search for when they're when they need some help. And so collaborating might really take care of, you know, take care of some of the mystery behind I don't even know what to where to go from here.

Alecia St. Germain 23:07

Yeah, and that's, you know, we could go not only that piece, but I think every course creator creator should be. And I don't mean to should on people because you know, I'm not a big should-er but. But really, it's your responsibility to be working on yourself. If you are not investing, and working on yourself and your personal leadership and digging into your triggers, your business is going to be limited by your own by your own mindset too. And we all it doesn't matter if you're on that $100,000 mark or you're at that million dollar mark or the $10 million mark, like your stuffs gonna come up with each level you go to so if you want clients to invest in, in your programs, be investing in yourself too.

Erica Nash 23:48

No that's so good, so wise. So that kind of leads me into the next question then, for you as a course creator yourself. Would you have ever categorized yourself as a people pleaser?

Alecia St. Germain 24:02

Of course, yes. I didn't, I didn't. I did not. Like admit to it. Until like probably very recently. It was like, oh, yeah, I did do that I was a people pleaser. 100% Yeah, I see that. But people pleasing felt weak and it wasn't until I realized like all the gifts I had in myself that I that I was able to do that reframe that you said that really landed with you but that's what I went through to get to get where I am and what I categorize myself as a people pleaser still. It's very easy to slide back into it. Yeah. In certain situations, like for me when I'm with my family and certain family members, I can feel myself like regress when I am in my coaching space and I'm in my my conscious edge and I'm working there like No, like not, not nearly, you know, every it might be a paying every now and then all of a paying someone to like message me. And usually I've just misconstrued something they've said, because I'm looking through it through through my people pleaser filter. And as soon as I like get myself out of it, you know, within a few seconds, I'm like, Oh, wait, that's not what they meant. But it is situational. And I think it is for everyone, no matter how much work you do, certain situations will trigger you. So having the strategy to know like, Oh, this is a situation that would typically trigger me, this is how this is, this is my strategy for recognizing and getting out of my pupil pleasing. And then implementing that when you're about to hit that go into that situation that can can really help you.

Erica Nash 25:50

Situational awareness has been one of the biggest things for me. So I can see that, you know, that across the board, right, like situational awareness could be, it's like the whole admitting that there's a problem is like half of the half of the solution or whatever. So as you have worked through your own sort of people pleasing, how has letting go that made you a better coach for your clients?

Alecia St. Germain 26:21

So it allows me to really hold my clients accountable, and responsible for their results. I can lead a horse to water, but I can't make you drink. If you are not being coachable, then I am not going to get you results, doing it the way that you feel comfortable. So it's allowed me to give to have really hard conversations with people. Like I said, there's moments where maybe right now you don't like me, but you can appreciate what I've said. And then when that shift happens, they love you. You know, it's, it's, it's that piece, it's know, my clients know that they can count on me, to, to be honest, when when you're in people pleasing, you're not as trustworthy because you're doing it to protect yourself. So when you let go of people pleasing people can trust you. Because you're being honest, even if it's not the nicest, you know, and you can always find ways to say things that support people rather than tear them down, you know, so, I mean, 100%, my coaching is stronger, and I'm willing to go places that I wouldn't have gone before. So even when it comes to like, your course creator, you have to make offers, right, and you have to do do sales, and I can tell you I have tanked some offers in the past, so bad. And what I came away from it learning was, that was all about me, when I take that offer, I was worried that people couldn't afford it, I was worried about them not liking me, I was worried about judgments they were going to make. And my heart broke when I turned to those offers, because I knew without a doubt that those people would be better off doing the coaching with me, I knew they would come out ahead. And it felt like a huge disservice to them when I held back and I made it about me and worried about like, Oh, where are they going to be? I justified it in my head. This is the thing, the tricky thing about people pleasing, is you can make it seem very justifiable. Like you're very caring about the people sitting in the seats getting the offer. But the truth is, if you have something a course that you know, without a doubt will make people's lives better. And you don't go all the way to help them get there and buy from you. Then it is about you. It is about worrying about that rejection. So my heart broke after I tank two hours, and I was like, This is not okay. People's lives are hurting. Because I'm not willing to go there. So yeah, I mean, I really and I and I truly believe that

Erica Nash 29:12

That is so big. It's so big thinking about it that way and and it does offer another reframe, you know, and one of the things you said is that when you let go of the people pleasing, you're more trustworthy. And I hadn't really thought about it that way. But it's it's so true. Because at least now I've been able to reframe people pleasing and like and maybe this isn't a great reframe, but I'm like, wow, like people pleasing is really selfish. Like on my part, like when I when I do like an afterword when I recognize that I'm like, oh, yeah, that was that was all about, that was all about me, that was not at all about the other person. And so I can see how you know, as a coach, being responsible for all of these other people if you're willing to Let it go, that it just empowers you to empower them so much more at such a such a deeper level than they would have gotten from you before.

Alecia St. Germain 30:10

Yeah, absolutely. And you know, just yeah, I'm gonna hear you on the selfish piece. And that hurts like, that's a trigger for me. Selfishness when I see my child being selfish, like, I have to really watch myself because it hurts me physically to see, because it's such an ugly way of being right. But truly, selfishness is often self protection. For sure. Right? So, so yeah, maybe selfish, but probably more likely self protection, self preservation,

Erica Nash 30:37

I like that reframe a whole lot better. And because I do, I think that's exactly what it is. It's like, oh, I don't want to be misunderstood, or I don't want to be, you know, seen as this or that or whatever. So, yeah.

Alecia St. Germain 30:51

And I think just on what you just said, I don't want to be seen as selfish or known or seen as whatever. There's a comes a point where, and I often use this too, when I am feeling scared that someone's going to judge me, like a client or somebody like that. I will often say, to calm my own nerves, I care more about you your results, your breakthrough, whatever it is, that I care what you think about me. And I think those are really powerful words to use, because it by owning by saying that it's like calms your own nerves of like, Am I doing the right thing? And it's the truth. It's the truth, right? I know that your people who follow you, they care, they literally are creating their courses, because they care. Absolute money is a byproduct of caring about others.

Erica Nash 31:42

Yes, and that's one of the things I was gonna say, I don't think that I have come across--I mean, if I've come across anybody, I don't know it--that is in this only to make money. It's a lot, it's a lot of work to only make money. And you you know, it's more about the impact. And the reason that people pleasing was such a big topic for me is because I see it so often throughout. And you know, people are like, willing to change entire programs, six month 12 month programs, because they're like, I need to these people are not happy, and I need to make them happy. And most of the time I go in, and their programs are pretty solid. But they they just really have that really deep desire to like, I'm here to help. And if you're not, if you're not getting what you need, then let me change something so that you can and so it really does come from like this really, really deep place of like giving to other people.

Alecia St. Germain 32:46

Yeah, and I think you said something really valuable there. Let me change something. It's not necessarily something that you do. That makes the change in those instances. It's who you're being that makes the change. And it's like, are you holding that person responsible? Are they actually showing up? Are they doing the work? Because sometimes complainers aren't doing those things. And simple communication, like, Hey, what's up? What's not working for you? And yes, they'll get the feedback, it's super easy to do a survey and get some feedback. But like, real honest feedback, that's going to improve your view, your your program is coming from finding out why the client is saying what they're saying, and what's underneath that. And a lot of times if I have a conversation with someone who's unhappy with someone's program, and I get underneath, like, Okay, so what's not working? And why is that not working? It has to do with their own fear.

Erica Nash 33:45

Oh, man, I feel like we could just go on and on forever and ever.

Alecia St. Germain 33:49

I know.

Erica Nash 33:50

I have one final question.

Alecia St. Germain 33:51


Erica Nash 33:52

So you've been in the course, the online course business for a really long time. And no doubt you have grown and changed so much over your career. But if you could go back to Alecia, course creator a year ago, what kind of advice would you give her? Knowing what you know? Now,

Alecia St. Germain 34:14

I think the most valuable thing is not to actually get too attached to any one thing. Because it's going to change. It's going to change, it's going to evolve. As you go after bigger goals, a bigger game, a bigger dream, a bigger mission. A lot of things will stay the same. But a lot of things will change and being willing to make those changes quickly. And it's all in the spirit of serving the client and whoever the client for you is going to be because they think that you're going to upgrade I mean, I know I've found like the client I serve. Now from the client I served five years ago, has up. I don't want to say upgrade, but like, like, they've just changed. Yeah, it's changed. It's changed. And it's like, you know, as I up level, the client that I serve up is up leveling too. So you will never be sent and oh, this is the the other thing I'd say you're never sent what you're ready for your sent what you're being asked to step into. So whatever opportunities in front of you if you think you're not ready, you are, it's actually you taking the steps forward and and doing the work to be the person that can meet that opportunity, is what's being asked of you.

Erica Nash 35:40

That's amazing advice. I love it. Do you feel like you have grown exponentially over the last year?

Alecia St. Germain 35:48

Yes, absolutely. I mean, absolutely. Like it's insane. Every year, from year one to year two to year two to year three, every single year. It is not like, Oh, I'm 2468 10. It's like, exponential, like you said, it's like it's multiplied on top of multiplied on top and multiplied, and it just goes up at such a rapid curve.

Erica Nash 36:13

I love it. And just the fact that you know, and you touched on this earlier that personal development, and all of that, you know, is important as a coach. And so, because you are the kind of coach that you are, and that you have that philosophy, I know that, you know, obviously, you've grown as a coach, but no doubt that you have grown in a way that like serves your participants. So so well, like, I know that they just get so much from you and appreciate you and like I said, you know, you're able to create such a safe space. And that is so valuable, because not everybody's able to do that. And so I appreciate you so much. I knew this episode was going to be incredible. But I feel like there were so many good little nuggets in there that people will be able to take and really think about themselves and start to look at you know, their own sort of people pleasing tendencies and kind of start working on the roots and maybe pulling a little bit of those out. So thank you again, for being here. I appreciate you so much. Please share with us what's going on where people can find you, and any of any of that kind of stuff, how people can work with you.

Alecia St. Germain 37:27

So you can find me at conscious And we are it's actually super interesting that the last question that you asked, because by the time this episode is airing, we're actually working on a rebrand of our signature program. It's going to be amazing. So come check us out and really, really supporting women to build these six and seven figure businesses but do it in a very holistic way. And I'm so pumped and excited about it. And we're working on it as we speak. So come check us out.

Erica Nash 37:57

Oh my gosh, I'm so excited for you. And I love that you said holistic like that's my whole thing I love like creating holistic programs, so I have no doubt that it's going to be super incredible. You guys if you are not already in Alicia world you need to be go check her out. You definitely won't regret it. I will include all of the links that she mentioned in the show notes. But otherwise, we will catch you next time. Thanks, Alecia. Well, I hope today's episode brought a little clarity and community to your next level course journey. If you enjoyed listening, please consider subscribing and leaving a review. And if you'd like to connect, be sure to find me over on Instagram at Erica Nash design or on my website at Erica I would love to hear from you. Alright, you guys go forth, educate and change lives. I'll see you next time.


About Alecia:

Alecia St. Germain is a Certified Immunity to Change Coach, Soul Purpose Oracle, and founder of The Conscious Edge – a leadership and personal development company focused on empowering female entrepreneurs to leverage their time and expertise efficiently to build multiple-six and seven-figure businesses. After training more than 10,000 entrepreneurs, Alecia knows that strategies and tactics are only a small part of creating wealth and happiness. Merging methodologies of modern science and ancient wisdom, she helps her clients uncover and transform their unconscious beliefs, while creating alignment between mind, body, and soul. Nothing lights her up more than seeing her clients confidently shatter their income ceilings, reclaim their time, and step boldly into their roles as leaders.

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